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Project Charter internal or External

Postby hareshjayanth Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:10 am

Dear Mr. Saket,

As you have informed in our discussion , that sponsor is mostly internal to the performing organization. So the document issued by the sponsor, which is the project charter , should be always internal to the organization. So why does in some of the books they are mentioning that project charter can be internal or external......In what case project charter document can be external, can you please explain.


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Re: Project Charter internal or External

Postby saket Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:15 am

please share extract from the book where the project charter is mentioned as External so i can see the background. Since as far as i understand about project charter its an internal doc,

I also wrote blog on project charter after our hangout session... which you want to refer to.

http://www.izenbridge.com/blog/develop- ... -planning/
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Re: Project Charter internal or External

Postby hareshjayanth Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:53 am

Dear Mr. Saket,

1) Why i got confused because of the Kim Heldman's book as given below:

PMP®: Project Management Professional: Study Guide - Kim Heldman - Page 117, answers No 18, it has been mentioned that '' A. According to the Guide to the PMBOK, the project charter should be published by a manager external to the project but with sufficient power and authority to carry it off''.

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Re: Project Charter internal or External

Postby saket Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:56 am

This is right since sponsor or project initiator are outside the project team, so they are external from project organization structure

But the group or person who issues the charter is part of executing organization , they are not from outside.
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Re: Project Charter internal or External

Postby hareshjayanth Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:34 pm

Dear Mr. Saket,

PMBOK Guide page 32 of the 5th Edition says that Sponsor can be internal or external to the Project manager's Organization. But you have mentioned that sponsor is internal , kindly clarify.

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Postby saket Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:32 am

We need to be clear with the definition of Project Organization , it means the project team and people inside it.

You are right and this is what i said...
This is right since sponsor or project initiator are outside the project team, so they are external from project organization structure


We need to keep following definitions in mind. and In most of the cases (there can be exceptions) Sponsor is part of " Performing Organization " but not part of "Project Organization".

Performing Organization. An enterprise whose personnel are most directly involved in doing the work of the
project or program.

Project Organization Chart. A document that graphically depicts the project team members and their
interrelationships for a specific project.


Please let me know of this point is clear to you now....
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Re: Project Charter internal or External

Postby harin4627 Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:39 am

There is a confusion about the language PMBOK uses "The sponsor may be external or internal to the project manager's organizsation" PMBOK page 32 second sentence under sponsor. it did not use the wording project organisation which would have given a different meaning. the wording "project manager's organization" gives an idea that the sponsor can be external to the "company" which is executing the project. But 1996 edition was very clear it says - the individual or group within the performing organisation who provides the financial resources, in cash or in kind, for the project. When it comes to 2000 edition it states "the individual or group within or external to the performing organization that provides the financial resources in cash or in kind for the project. This gives an indication that external sponsors also exists...But generally accepted convention and for exam, I think we should treat sponsor as within the performing organization.
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Re: Project Charter internal or External

Postby saket Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:45 am

You may also consider looking at :

PMBOK Page 31 Figure 2-7. The Relationship Between Stakeholders and the Project
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Re: Project Charter internal or External

Postby saket Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:06 am

Inspired by this thread i created this video on sponsor , if you are subscribe of our channel , you might be knowing this already...

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